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	<description>Let&#039;s give the Commission back to the church.</description>
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		<title>By: stepchild</title>
		<link>http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2009/09/10/real-christians-are-going-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-8623</link>
		<dc:creator>stepchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
Yeah, but it sounds like you&#039;re talking about &quot;being&quot; a paid missionary. Mobilization is about trying to get people involved. I think a lot of people who aren&#039;t on mission might see things differently if they understood that mission is what they were made and saved for. 

As for answering the question, &quot;Yeah, but what do you do?&quot; If a believer comes to understand that mission is the missing piece in the puzzle of his spiritual life, he&#039;ll have less difficulty seeing his actions (the doing) as part of that mission. If we were to truly redefine missions as being, the church wouldn&#039;t be disappointed to hear about a missionary that &quot;only&quot; works a secular job and invites his neighbors over for dinner. 

The church (at least the church in America) has, in general, a very poor understanding of what missions is. I&#039;m happy to partner with people who are working to challenge bad missiology and provide biblical alternatives. 

Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
Yeah, but it sounds like you&#8217;re talking about &#8220;being&#8221; a paid missionary. Mobilization is about trying to get people involved. I think a lot of people who aren&#8217;t on mission might see things differently if they understood that mission is what they were made and saved for. </p>
<p>As for answering the question, &#8220;Yeah, but what do you do?&#8221; If a believer comes to understand that mission is the missing piece in the puzzle of his spiritual life, he&#8217;ll have less difficulty seeing his actions (the doing) as part of that mission. If we were to truly redefine missions as being, the church wouldn&#8217;t be disappointed to hear about a missionary that &#8220;only&#8221; works a secular job and invites his neighbors over for dinner. </p>
<p>The church (at least the church in America) has, in general, a very poor understanding of what missions is. I&#8217;m happy to partner with people who are working to challenge bad missiology and provide biblical alternatives. </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2009/09/10/real-christians-are-going-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-8479</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we should talk more about being a missionary, but since the church (at least the church in America) won&#039;t support you just because you &quot;are&quot; a missionary, we all feel like we have to make a dent, so to speak. I try to put myself in the place of a church member listening to a guy just &quot;being&quot; a missionary and I would think, &quot;Yeah, but are you doing anything?&quot;

So maybe I&#039;m not there either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we should talk more about being a missionary, but since the church (at least the church in America) won&#8217;t support you just because you &#8220;are&#8221; a missionary, we all feel like we have to make a dent, so to speak. I try to put myself in the place of a church member listening to a guy just &#8220;being&#8221; a missionary and I would think, &#8220;Yeah, but are you doing anything?&#8221;</p>
<p>So maybe I&#8217;m not there either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Theisen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Theisen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@C.Holland: The same thing happened to us in Africa. We are now understanding that mission begins in relationship. We have so much to learn. We think we have the answers but we don&#039;t even know the questions. I&#039;m looking at Trinitarian Theology for a paradigm to develop my Missional Theology. 

I am beginning to realize that our Theology of Mission is developed from a Reformed Theology perspective which focuses on Soteriology. Trinitarian Theology focuses on God so it has a much more relational perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@C.Holland: The same thing happened to us in Africa. We are now understanding that mission begins in relationship. We have so much to learn. We think we have the answers but we don&#8217;t even know the questions. I&#8217;m looking at Trinitarian Theology for a paradigm to develop my Missional Theology. </p>
<p>I am beginning to realize that our Theology of Mission is developed from a Reformed Theology perspective which focuses on Soteriology. Trinitarian Theology focuses on God so it has a much more relational perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stepchild: Yeah, I&#039;ve considered saying, &quot;Come spend a week walking in my shoes and see how you do.&quot;  I believe the outcome would change their mind, but only then.

@Jeff: Too many American missionaries before me have made the nationals in my field &quot;a task to be done&quot;, and the nationals are very aware of this.  It has made them more suspicious of me as a missionary as I&#039;m viewed (at first impression) as another one who wants to tear through my agenda regardless of the people&#039;s feelings.  We&#039;re making headway, but it will take years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stepchild: Yeah, I&#8217;ve considered saying, &#8220;Come spend a week walking in my shoes and see how you do.&#8221;  I believe the outcome would change their mind, but only then.</p>
<p>@Jeff: Too many American missionaries before me have made the nationals in my field &#8220;a task to be done&#8221;, and the nationals are very aware of this.  It has made them more suspicious of me as a missionary as I&#8217;m viewed (at first impression) as another one who wants to tear through my agenda regardless of the people&#8217;s feelings.  We&#8217;re making headway, but it will take years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Theisen</title>
		<link>http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2009/09/10/real-christians-are-going-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-8351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Theisen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
I thought this was the case. I think this what Jesus is saying in John 15, especially in verse 5.

In my own missional journey this is what I am learning. The relationship needs to be there or we are just a noise gong. Too many times we make people a task to be done and not a person to relate to.
Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
I thought this was the case. I think this what Jesus is saying in John 15, especially in verse 5.</p>
<p>In my own missional journey this is what I am learning. The relationship needs to be there or we are just a noise gong. Too many times we make people a task to be done and not a person to relate to.<br />
Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

You are absolutely correct. God&#039;s order is always of utmost importance. It is clear to me that &quot;being&quot; always came first in scripture.

No where is the order of being then doing made more clear than when Jesus says to Peter, &quot;But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.&quot; (Luke 22:32)

Jesus was telling Peter that his being would drive his doing. I guess that my comment was just a concern that we don&#039;t swing the pendulum from the extreme of doing without being to being without doing.

So ... I do agree with you in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>You are absolutely correct. God&#8217;s order is always of utmost importance. It is clear to me that &#8220;being&#8221; always came first in scripture.</p>
<p>No where is the order of being then doing made more clear than when Jesus says to Peter, &#8220;But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.&#8221; (Luke 22:32)</p>
<p>Jesus was telling Peter that his being would drive his doing. I guess that my comment was just a concern that we don&#8217;t swing the pendulum from the extreme of doing without being to being without doing.</p>
<p>So &#8230; I do agree with you in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Theisen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Theisen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave
Thanks for your reply. I agree with you we do need the task but what I saw many times was the task was the focus. I believe it is both/and but we need to get the two in right order. In my thinking the doing needs to flow out of the being.

It is hard to just jump into a conversation because there are not common meanings to our words and those need to be learned in dialogue with each other. By &#039;being&quot; I am thinking more of relationships. Our &#039;doing&#039; needs to flow from our relationships. First with God, then with others. I realize that this is very simple explanation and it needs a lot more development, which I can&#039;t do here. So to say, we probably more in agreement than appears at first glance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave<br />
Thanks for your reply. I agree with you we do need the task but what I saw many times was the task was the focus. I believe it is both/and but we need to get the two in right order. In my thinking the doing needs to flow out of the being.</p>
<p>It is hard to just jump into a conversation because there are not common meanings to our words and those need to be learned in dialogue with each other. By &#8216;being&#8221; I am thinking more of relationships. Our &#8216;doing&#8217; needs to flow from our relationships. First with God, then with others. I realize that this is very simple explanation and it needs a lot more development, which I can&#8217;t do here. So to say, we probably more in agreement than appears at first glance</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff

While I agree with you on the importance of being. We cannot also forget the word of God&#039;s admonition to be doers of the word and not hearers only.

We must develop a balance in our lives where our doing emanates from our being. Doing apart from being results in the prideful dangers of the Pharisees but being apart from doing results in the failure to fulfill the great commission.

We should always serve because of who we are, led by the Spirit of God, for the purpose of glorifying God in this life. Light&#039;s work (illumination) occurs because it is light and so should our works occur because we are children of the Father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff</p>
<p>While I agree with you on the importance of being. We cannot also forget the word of God&#8217;s admonition to be doers of the word and not hearers only.</p>
<p>We must develop a balance in our lives where our doing emanates from our being. Doing apart from being results in the prideful dangers of the Pharisees but being apart from doing results in the failure to fulfill the great commission.</p>
<p>We should always serve because of who we are, led by the Spirit of God, for the purpose of glorifying God in this life. Light&#8217;s work (illumination) occurs because it is light and so should our works occur because we are children of the Father.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Theisen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Theisen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good to see the interaction over the issues of being and doing. For Americans our primary core value is doing. This is where we try to build our significance. What we do. Even when I am aware of it and try to fight against it I&#039;m overwhelmed. As an American I don&#039;t understand what being is. Being is relational but I don&#039;t understand relationships because it gets in the way of my independence and freedom.

I spent numerous years in Africa and the biggest problem I say was that it was all about the doing and not about the relationships. When we got together as missionaries it was about the task not about who we where as the community of God. So I had to protect my task so that you wouldn&#039;t get the money I needed to do my thing. Our focus on the doing destroys the community that God is building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to see the interaction over the issues of being and doing. For Americans our primary core value is doing. This is where we try to build our significance. What we do. Even when I am aware of it and try to fight against it I&#8217;m overwhelmed. As an American I don&#8217;t understand what being is. Being is relational but I don&#8217;t understand relationships because it gets in the way of my independence and freedom.</p>
<p>I spent numerous years in Africa and the biggest problem I say was that it was all about the doing and not about the relationships. When we got together as missionaries it was about the task not about who we where as the community of God. So I had to protect my task so that you wouldn&#8217;t get the money I needed to do my thing. Our focus on the doing destroys the community that God is building.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts.  I completely agree with your point that we need to focus on what missionaries are, &quot;sinners who obediently move in and between cultures to incarnate the gospel&quot; in contrast to simply what they do.  This has been a big problem for my wife and I as we are raising support to &quot;be&quot; missionaries in Asia, and communicate to potential partners in churches.  They are typically more concerned with what we will be doing and what we will accomplish, than if we are spiritually prepared to do it!  I believe this is due to the trend in American churches that approaches commands of scripture as mandates for more programs.  American Christians have been taught that the &quot;Great Commission&quot; is accomplished by the missions or outreach program in their church, not through their personal and life changing devotion to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts.  I completely agree with your point that we need to focus on what missionaries are, &#8220;sinners who obediently move in and between cultures to incarnate the gospel&#8221; in contrast to simply what they do.  This has been a big problem for my wife and I as we are raising support to &#8220;be&#8221; missionaries in Asia, and communicate to potential partners in churches.  They are typically more concerned with what we will be doing and what we will accomplish, than if we are spiritually prepared to do it!  I believe this is due to the trend in American churches that approaches commands of scripture as mandates for more programs.  American Christians have been taught that the &#8220;Great Commission&#8221; is accomplished by the missions or outreach program in their church, not through their personal and life changing devotion to God.</p>
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