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	<title>Comments on: Grown-up Church</title>
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	<description>Let&#039;s give the Commission back to the church.</description>
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		<title>By: Rick Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deeply appreciate the insights (of both blogger and commenter). Perhaps David is the exception that proves the rule!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deeply appreciate the insights (of both blogger and commenter). Perhaps David is the exception that proves the rule!</p>
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		<title>By: David Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ernest,

I may be the exception to the rule...I don&#039;t know if it was the church I was in, the calling of God on my life at an early age, the people I hung out with or a combination of them all.

I remember in a discipleship training class when I as 7 that I said, &quot;it&#039;s time I got baptized.&quot; Two weeks later I walked the aisle and made my profession of faith. I had my first study Bible when I was not yet a teenager, my first commentary at 12, and was regularly watching Charles Stanley on TV and taking notes. I even studied my sunday school lesson as a teenager with my commentary!

I had an uncle who discipled m and a 25 yr old who would eventually go into ministry that hung out with me and mentored me as a 12-18 yr old. When I was 15, a couple took our youth discipleship training class through DiscipleYouth, a discipleship program that was MasterLife for students. I would be the only one to finish both terms out of 15. I was teaching sunday school at 17 or so and adult discipleship classes at the same time. That couple would be called into ministry, give up a nice engineering job and go to seminary. In fact, the husband&#039;s first sermon was the night I knew God called me into ministry.

We didn&#039;t do a lot of games or retreats or weekend stuff...we just shared life together. I know it&#039;s different 20 years later. Culture is different, we need to teach in a way that is best for folks.

But in doing youth ministry during college and seminary, as well as spending almost 5 years in campus ministry in college, the greatest impact came through life together. I had the privilege of leading 2 MasterLife groups in college. All but one of those 7 guys ended up in ministry full-time at some point and the one who didn&#039;t is so involved in his church he might as well be.

I remember coming home from summer missions in college, at age 19, and our campus ministry had a let&#039;s-reconnect-before school-starts-back party at a home. I remember how a small group of 5 quickly turned into a group of 25 college kids sitting around a table and on the floor as we answered questions about God, about our fears, our hopes, and life in general. That group was a unique group during the next 3 years of our college existence.

Maybe that&#039;s why I will never lead the masses. I&#039;m too concerned about investing int the 25-40 and believing they will change the world. Of course, I guess that lack of games and pizza and parties is also why I didn&#039;t make a good youth minister, though I did some incredible things happen with some of those kids...

Oh well...sorry for my rambling...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernest,</p>
<p>I may be the exception to the rule&#8230;I don&#8217;t know if it was the church I was in, the calling of God on my life at an early age, the people I hung out with or a combination of them all.</p>
<p>I remember in a discipleship training class when I as 7 that I said, &#8220;it&#8217;s time I got baptized.&#8221; Two weeks later I walked the aisle and made my profession of faith. I had my first study Bible when I was not yet a teenager, my first commentary at 12, and was regularly watching Charles Stanley on TV and taking notes. I even studied my sunday school lesson as a teenager with my commentary!</p>
<p>I had an uncle who discipled m and a 25 yr old who would eventually go into ministry that hung out with me and mentored me as a 12-18 yr old. When I was 15, a couple took our youth discipleship training class through DiscipleYouth, a discipleship program that was MasterLife for students. I would be the only one to finish both terms out of 15. I was teaching sunday school at 17 or so and adult discipleship classes at the same time. That couple would be called into ministry, give up a nice engineering job and go to seminary. In fact, the husband&#8217;s first sermon was the night I knew God called me into ministry.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t do a lot of games or retreats or weekend stuff&#8230;we just shared life together. I know it&#8217;s different 20 years later. Culture is different, we need to teach in a way that is best for folks.</p>
<p>But in doing youth ministry during college and seminary, as well as spending almost 5 years in campus ministry in college, the greatest impact came through life together. I had the privilege of leading 2 MasterLife groups in college. All but one of those 7 guys ended up in ministry full-time at some point and the one who didn&#8217;t is so involved in his church he might as well be.</p>
<p>I remember coming home from summer missions in college, at age 19, and our campus ministry had a let&#8217;s-reconnect-before school-starts-back party at a home. I remember how a small group of 5 quickly turned into a group of 25 college kids sitting around a table and on the floor as we answered questions about God, about our fears, our hopes, and life in general. That group was a unique group during the next 3 years of our college existence.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why I will never lead the masses. I&#8217;m too concerned about investing int the 25-40 and believing they will change the world. Of course, I guess that lack of games and pizza and parties is also why I didn&#8217;t make a good youth minister, though I did some incredible things happen with some of those kids&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh well&#8230;sorry for my rambling&#8230;</p>
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