Comments on: The Devil Is In The Details http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/ Let's give the Commission back to the church. Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:47:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Camel Rider http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-1463 Camel Rider Tue, 13 May 2008 19:56:37 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/#comment-1463 The interesting thing is that every good idea takes a while to work. Ideas take time to take root and bring fruit. My concern is that we often revert to what we know, even if its only nominally effective...over the big risk which in the long term may bring greater, deeper results. The interesting thing is that every good idea takes a while to work. Ideas take time to take root and bring fruit. My concern is that we often revert to what we know, even if its only nominally effective…over the big risk which in the long term may bring greater, deeper results.

]]> By: stepchild http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-1462 stepchild Tue, 13 May 2008 07:14:38 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/#comment-1462 ewinwe, Thank you for being an encouragement to me. I agree that we need to be sure that those who come behind us at least have the opportunity to learn from our experience (successes and failures). It would be a shame for new people to have to start from scratch, without the benefit of what we've come to understand about the people and culture. One thing that I'm really excited about is the ongoing commitment of an American church to this city. This church is actively involved in strategy coordination for the city, and will continue its active involvement in the work here. They will ensure further continuity of our presence, and plan to take all that my team has learned and make it available to whomever might find it useful. I'm so thankful that God orchestrates the work! Camel Rider, I'll get back to you today via email with specifics, but in general, I think that with the current team leaving, there really isn't anyone left who has a desire to maintain our strategy, and few who see its value. Ultimately, it's a question of practicality. For all of our innovation and creativity, at the end of the day, we still have what everyone else has. Nothing. ewinwe,
Thank you for being an encouragement to me. I agree that we need to be sure that those who come behind us at least have the opportunity to learn from our experience (successes and failures). It would be a shame for new people to have to start from scratch, without the benefit of what we’ve come to understand about the people and culture.

One thing that I’m really excited about is the ongoing commitment of an American church to this city. This church is actively involved in strategy coordination for the city, and will continue its active involvement in the work here. They will ensure further continuity of our presence, and plan to take all that my team has learned and make it available to whomever might find it useful.

I’m so thankful that God orchestrates the work!

Camel Rider,
I’ll get back to you today via email with specifics, but in general, I think that with the current team leaving, there really isn’t anyone left who has a desire to maintain our strategy, and few who see its value. Ultimately, it’s a question of practicality. For all of our innovation and creativity, at the end of the day, we still have what everyone else has.

Nothing.

]]> By: Camel Rider http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-1461 Camel Rider Mon, 12 May 2008 15:50:57 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/#comment-1461 Maybe you can respond in an email....what do you think the future strategy will be? Who do you think will step in? Do you think they don't value the current strategy or is it that the next guy doesn't have the same heart that you do and his strategy will be more reflective of who he is? Maybe you can respond in an email….what do you think the future strategy will be? Who do you think will step in? Do you think they don’t value the current strategy or is it that the next guy doesn’t have the same heart that you do and his strategy will be more reflective of who he is?

]]> By: ewin werrie http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-1458 ewin werrie Mon, 12 May 2008 10:47:16 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2008/05/12/the-devil-is-in-the-details/#comment-1458 you have more than answered my comments - you really have thought this through well, and I wish you well on this move to point c (and these are really 'points', not organizations - i find that anytime i try to tie myself to an organization, it blows up in my face - i'm sticking with what He wants me to do, from here on out). i do think it is a gross shame that the 'strategy' of arts, social action, and culture exchange will pass away and not pass on. why is it that the organizational body does not see the value in arts and culture as much as they seem to see it in baptisms and cpm growth? i've really started to call to question my own involvement in the machine and wondering how *i* can be a catalyst for change in that area (arts and culture). the celts got it right when they integrated themselves into an area, built community, introduced christianity (when among the pagans) and eased people into relationship with God - the 'big church' model of go and make disciples by transplanting your culture, language, and trappings on the local populations has never really worked out well. one the popular movies of my time (The Mission) really pointed out that dropping a model-of-living on an indigenous culture and expecting them to conform does not work. where you are, there has been such a backlash to that model (the catholic with a big c church) that many people have no use or care for spiritual thoughts. i can only hope and pray that those who come to your city to continue work and build relationships do not end up reinventing the wheel for four years, then leaving for someone *else* to come and repeat the same process again, and again, and again. i am especially glad that you are keeping in touch with those you are leaving behind (nationals). that will be what we take away, when it is our time, as well ... peace, brother ewine you have more than answered my comments – you really have thought this through well, and I wish you well on this move to point c (and these are really ‘points’, not organizations – i find that anytime i try to tie myself to an organization, it blows up in my face – i’m sticking with what He wants me to do, from here on out).

i do think it is a gross shame that the ‘strategy’ of arts, social action, and culture exchange will pass away and not pass on. why is it that the organizational body does not see the value in arts and culture as much as they seem to see it in baptisms and cpm growth?

i’ve really started to call to question my own involvement in the machine and wondering how *i* can be a catalyst for change in that area (arts and culture). the celts got it right when they integrated themselves into an area, built community, introduced christianity (when among the pagans) and eased people into relationship with God – the ‘big church’ model of go and make disciples by transplanting your culture, language, and trappings on the local populations has never really worked out well. one the popular movies of my time (The Mission) really pointed out that dropping a model-of-living on an indigenous culture and expecting them to conform does not work. where you are, there has been such a backlash to that model (the catholic with a big c church) that many people have no use or care for spiritual thoughts. i can only hope and pray that those who come to your city to continue work and build relationships do not end up reinventing the wheel for four years, then leaving for someone *else* to come and repeat the same process again, and again, and again.

i am especially glad that you are keeping in touch with those you are leaving behind (nationals). that will be what we take away, when it is our time, as well …

peace, brother
ewine

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