Comments on: The CPM Storm http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/ Let's give the Commission back to the church. Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:47:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Paul Burleson http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-811 Paul Burleson Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:45:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-811 Stepchild,<br/><br/>What a great post and comment section. I'm just enjoying your thoughts and the conversation they generate. Keep it up Stepchild,

What a great post and comment section. I’m just enjoying your thoughts and the conversation they generate. Keep it up

]]> By: Tim Patterson http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-790 Tim Patterson Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:25:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-790 Cpm is not the goal or the vision. God's glory should be the main thing. Cpm is one way or method God uses toward that end. Maybe we have tried too hard to systematize God's ways. Cpm is not the goal or the vision. God’s glory should be the main thing. Cpm is one way or method God uses toward that end. Maybe we have tried too hard to systematize God’s ways.

]]> By: Bryan Riley http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-789 Bryan Riley Mon, 05 Feb 2007 03:54:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-789 why is it when people question... which is a great practice... that those in power want you to leave? Why are we so exclusionary? Did Jesus ever say to His questioning disciples... pack it up and find somewhere else to ask your questions. I think one of the biggest problems in today's church, not just the SBC, is fear and doubt. The God we serve it a whole lot bigger than any one's question of a strategy put together. Methinks the commenter knew he or she was in error to make such a comment because he or she (very doubtful, if someone with any authority in the SBC it would be a she) couldn't even identify him or herself. Ugh. <br /><br />Bottom line, Stepchild, is that these posts and your honesty are incredible. I wish more laypersons across America could/would read the struggles faced by today's missionary. I also think that you are putting meat on the difficulty of making a relational God propositional. The X-ing and O-ing of God's Mission simply isn't possible for humanity. This doesn't mean we shouldn't plan, but we must always plan for His work, not our own. why is it when people question… which is a great practice… that those in power want you to leave? Why are we so exclusionary? Did Jesus ever say to His questioning disciples… pack it up and find somewhere else to ask your questions. I think one of the biggest problems in today’s church, not just the SBC, is fear and doubt. The God we serve it a whole lot bigger than any one’s question of a strategy put together. Methinks the commenter knew he or she was in error to make such a comment because he or she (very doubtful, if someone with any authority in the SBC it would be a she) couldn’t even identify him or herself. Ugh.

Bottom line, Stepchild, is that these posts and your honesty are incredible. I wish more laypersons across America could/would read the struggles faced by today’s missionary. I also think that you are putting meat on the difficulty of making a relational God propositional. The X-ing and O-ing of God’s Mission simply isn’t possible for humanity. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t plan, but we must always plan for His work, not our own.

]]> By: David Rogers http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-787 David Rogers Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:13:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-787 I really wish everyone could read Clyde Meador's article. I think it answers almost all of the questions people seem to be asking about this. I wrote Clyde asking permission to publish it on my blog, but understandably, he said he is waiting for it to be published on a seminary journal (Mid-America), so he couldn't give permission for now. In any case, I was very pleased by the balance coming from our IMB leadership on this vital questions. I really wish everyone could read Clyde Meador’s article. I think it answers almost all of the questions people seem to be asking about this. I wrote Clyde asking permission to publish it on my blog, but understandably, he said he is waiting for it to be published on a seminary journal (Mid-America), so he couldn’t give permission for now. In any case, I was very pleased by the balance coming from our IMB leadership on this vital questions.

]]> By: GuyMuse http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-786 GuyMuse Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:14:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-786 I've enjoyed your past two posts and all the generated comments from them. Seems you are scratching where a lot of M's are itching. I’ve enjoyed your past two posts and all the generated comments from them. Seems you are scratching where a lot of M’s are itching.

]]> By: Publius http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-785 Publius Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:04:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-785 stepchild, I know you've often admitted to recycling the same questions over and over (not that it's a bad thing), but do you think this gets back to the problem of Metrics? Of course we all <i>want</i> to create self-reproducing churches. The question is how we judge the qualitative validity of our ministry by the quantitative results of new churches/believers/cell groups/whatever. <br /><br />Despite some grumbling I've seen, it seems to my grossly uninformed self that the IMB does a better-than-most job of letting M's follow the dictates of their conscience, at least as far as calling. Within the Body, they seem to allow fingers to be fingers, and not force everyone to be an eye, so to speak. Maybe it looks different on the inside, but I think you guys could have it a whole lot worse than you do... stepchild, I know you’ve often admitted to recycling the same questions over and over (not that it’s a bad thing), but do you think this gets back to the problem of Metrics? Of course we all want to create self-reproducing churches. The question is how we judge the qualitative validity of our ministry by the quantitative results of new churches/believers/cell groups/whatever.

Despite some grumbling I’ve seen, it seems to my grossly uninformed self that the IMB does a better-than-most job of letting M’s follow the dictates of their conscience, at least as far as calling. Within the Body, they seem to allow fingers to be fingers, and not force everyone to be an eye, so to speak. Maybe it looks different on the inside, but I think you guys could have it a whole lot worse than you do…

]]> By: Anonymous http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-784 Anonymous Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:15:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-784 10-40 window mssy - ask your RL, SA, or RA about the memo. They are supposed to make sure you receive it. 10-40 window mssy – ask your RL, SA, or RA about the memo. They are supposed to make sure you receive it.

]]> By: A 10-40 Window Missionary http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-783 A 10-40 Window Missionary Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:09:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-783 To-obey-is-better's husband said that his supervisor said, "Just go start a church." Ruthie asked about contexturalized churches where we are. And some regional administrator's answers to both is for every missionary to start a house church or cell group modeled after what is being done at ILC (MOC for the old folks). I have seen how the house church that missionaries start do add to the overall tolal of "new church" starts on the field. And, possibly in some areas, such as Western Europe, the ILC model works well. I know that in my area of the 10-40 Window, the ILC model will almost 100% insure that no Nationals come. But this shows me that we still have a long way to go to understanding a CPM or even seeing one, when even our leaders give such advice.<br /><br />By the way, I must also not be worthy, as several days later, I am still waiting for the memo. To-obey-is-better’s husband said that his supervisor said, “Just go start a church.” Ruthie asked about contexturalized churches where we are. And some regional administrator’s answers to both is for every missionary to start a house church or cell group modeled after what is being done at ILC (MOC for the old folks). I have seen how the house church that missionaries start do add to the overall tolal of “new church” starts on the field. And, possibly in some areas, such as Western Europe, the ILC model works well. I know that in my area of the 10-40 Window, the ILC model will almost 100% insure that no Nationals come. But this shows me that we still have a long way to go to understanding a CPM or even seeing one, when even our leaders give such advice.

By the way, I must also not be worthy, as several days later, I am still waiting for the memo.

]]> By: ruthie http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-781 ruthie Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:12:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-781 No, I did not mean what would be brought over from the US. I mean, what would be brought over from the indigenous culture. For example, in one particular Southeast Asian culture, women are seen are the primary decision-makers in a family. Biblically, we know that is not the way that the church is to function. No, I did not mean what would be brought over from the US. I mean, what would be brought over from the indigenous culture. For example, in one particular Southeast Asian culture, women are seen are the primary decision-makers in a family. Biblically, we know that is not the way that the church is to function.

]]> By: stepchild http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/comment-page-1/#comment-780 stepchild Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:48:00 +0000 http://missionsmisunderstood.com/2007/01/28/the-cpm-storm/#comment-780 Ruthie,<br />That's a great question. In my opinion, answering this question should drive our strategy at every level. <br /><br />By "What ...would be brought over.." I assume you mean from the U.S. Instead of trying to answer it here, I'll go ahead and do a whole new post on it. <br /><br />Please stay tuned...<br /><br />Kiki,<br />Thanks. I've missed your comments around here...<br />We have been asking about the balance between strategy and abiding obedience. I'd love to hear your thoughts about that, and how you all are working toward CPM. Ruthie,
That’s a great question. In my opinion, answering this question should drive our strategy at every level.

By “What …would be brought over..” I assume you mean from the U.S. Instead of trying to answer it here, I’ll go ahead and do a whole new post on it.

Please stay tuned…

Kiki,
Thanks. I’ve missed your comments around here…
We have been asking about the balance between strategy and abiding obedience. I’d love to hear your thoughts about that, and how you all are working toward CPM.

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